Thursday, December 27, 2007

FOUR HORSEMEN OF THE APOCALYPSE

Overview of God's 7 angel-agents who execute the Seal,
Trump, and Vial plagues, in the last half of the Tribulation.
Note: For clarity I will be using (for example) "7" for seven.

The first 4 of the 7 angels are the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse,
and they are renowned as riders of destiny, they rode in the past,
where God used them to punish evil men and nations, and they
will ride again in the last half of the tribulation. The horses are
symbolic, but John did see them as 3D images, red, white, etc.,

John saw in vision 7 angels executing first the 7-seals followed by
the 7-Trumps, then the 7-Vials. Now just because John saw things
in a certain order does not mean that they will happen on earth in
the same order. For example, lets say that a woman has 4 girls
and 3 boys, and she had them in the order of: first 2 girls, then
1 boy, 1 girl, 2 boys, then 1 more girl. And someone asked her
how many girls and boys she had, she would not give the order
in which she had them, but would say she had 4 girls and 3 boys.
So the telling part was different from the action part.

The sequence view (first two verses in the above paragraph),
held by most, does not work because it places three of the four
obvious last day events from 1 to 3 1/2 years before the last
day. I believe God showed John the vision in this sequence to
simplify it, as with the woman with 4 girls and 3 boys.

Before continuing I would like to state that, anyone who has done
extensive study on the seals, trumps, and vials, and maybe has

written books or made charts on this topic has had to speculate
to a very high degree. This is very complex and not really that
important to us at this time. However, we should study this now,
because when these events begin to unfold we then will be able to
put it together. Our opinions and interpretations should never be
set in concrete, God will continue to reveal more details as we pay
attention to end time events. ___The following is my opinion:

I will begin by saying the 7 angels (angels are spirits) that stood
before God's throne in Rev.1:4, Rev.4:5, Rev.5:6 (horn is symbolic
for king or leader, these angels are leaders, see Rev.17:12)
notice
that God sends these 7 spirits (angel-leaders) unto all the earth;
yes, the same 7 that execute the plagues in the last 3 1/2 years...
Remember, there are only 7 angels that execute all 21 of God's
judgement plagues, so each was given a seal, a trump and a vial, 3
plagues each, each in turn, on-going until the end of the 3 1/2 yrs,
including the Last Day. You will notice that by using this rotation
system, all 4 of the last day events, happen on the last day.

Listed below is the order in which I think these events will unfold,
and after this I've listed the sequence view; held by most:
                     All verses quoted are KJV, for in instant reference in the
                     English Standard Version, place cursor on chapter/verse


........................
drama #1 ......... drama #2 ............. drama #3
.........................Seals ...............Trumps ...............Vials

..................
.....Rev.6:1-2
..........Rev.8:7..............Rev.16:2

...................... 1st Seal .......... 1st Trump ........... 1st Vial
1st Angel........Conquering........hail & fire..............sores on men
on ..White...... probably ..........1/3rd trees............that had the
.......Horse........Michael..............burnt up...............mark of beast
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........................ Rev.6:3-4 ...........Rev.8:8-9............Rev.16:3

.........................2nd Seal...........2nd Trump..........2nd Vial
2nd Angel.......men kill.............1/3rd of sea............all of sea
........Red...........each other...........became.................became
........Horse........ [blood].............. [like] blood......... [like] blood
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....................... Rev.6:5-6 ............ Rev.8:10-11 .........
Rev.16:4-7
............................3rd. S................3rd. T...................3rd. V.
3rd Angel.........famine..............1/3 of rivers............rivers
....... Black .........rations..............fountains...............fountains
........Horse...................................poisoned...............[like] blood
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........................ Rev.6:7-8 .......... Rev.8:12-13 ......... Rev.16:8-9

............................4th. S...............4th. T...................4th. V.
4th Angel.........kill with............1/3 sun dark.........burnt men
........Pale...........sword and ......woe,woe,woe.......with heat
........Horse..........hunger............ for 3 Angels.........and they
................................................... yet to sound ........ cursed God

The 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse
have executed the first 12
of God's 21 judgment
plagues, and will never have to ride again.
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Now entering the last 3 Angels, that the above 4th Angel warned
the world about, each with a trumpet woe, along with a seal and
a vial (the remaining 9 plagues). Remember, true Christians are
'sealed'
(protected), as we were from the plagues of the previous 4.

......................... Rev.6:9-11 ......... Rev.9:1-12 ......... Rev.16:10-11
...........................5th. S...............5th. T....................5th. V.
5th Angel.......souls under......bottomless pit......darkness, pains
.........................altar, given.......locusts sting..........& sores, men
.........................white robes.......men with mark......repented not
..........................how long?........ 1st woe ................cursed God
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Remember, the seals, trumps, and vials are not in sequence, like the 4
girls and 3 boys. See the three paragraphs in blue, near the end of this.

.................. Rev.9:13-21 ........ Rev.16:12-16 ....... Rev.6:12-17
........................6th. T..................6th. V. @@@ 6th seal @@@
6th Angel..... Euphrates .......... Euphrates @@ Start of @@@
....................... angels loose ....... dried up @@ @ Last Day @@
...................... 1/3 men killed ...."I Come @@@ Earthquake @
...................... those left ............ as a thief" @@ Day of wrath@
...................... repented not ...... RAPTURE @@ has come.@@
......................
2nd woe ........... Armageddon @@@@@@@@@
______________________________ @@@@@@@@
@@@@@@Rev.8:1-5@@@ Rev.16:17-21 @@ Rev.11:15-19 @
@@@@@@7th seal @@@ 7th. vial @@@@7th trump @@
7th Angel @silence in@@ voice from @@Kingdom has @
@@@@@@ heaven @@@the throne, @@ come. Day@@
@@@@@@ 1/2 hour. @@"it is done"@@@ of wrath. @@
@@@@ Earthquake @@ Earthquake @@ Earthquake @
@@@@@@Last Day @@@ Last Day @@@ Last Day @@@
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 3rd woe @@@

I believe Christians are raptured at the 6th Vial, at the beginning of
the Last
Day, then we will return with Him at the end of this day at
the 2nd coming of Christ at the Last Trump...

And we will be above the earth for all of this day standing "on" the
sea of glass,
Rev.15:2 KJV, (it looked like a huge plate of glass).

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Below is how these events would come out...


if they were listed in sequence (as most believe), of the
7 seals,
followed by the 7 trumps then the 7 vials. As you will see there
are major problems that are not consistent with God's word.

Remember now, there are only 7 angels that execute the
21 plagues (Rev.1:4, Rev.4:5, and Rev.5:6). So, all 7 would each
have a Seal, a Trump, and a Vial, the same as my above chart.
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T
he 7 Angels
execute the 7 Seals in continuity, (drama #1):

1st Seal
_1st angel_conquering, probably Michael.
2nd Seal_2nd angel_men kill each other, [blood].
3rd Seal_etc_famine, rations.
4th Seal_kill with sword and hunger.
5th Seal_souls under the altar, white robes, how long?

6th Seal
_Earthquake, Day of Wrath
has come, sun black
................ stars (comets) fall to earth, every moutain and island
................ moved out of place, hide us from God and from the
................ Wrath of the Lamb. These are Last Day events!!
7th Seal_silence in heaven,Earthquake, also last day event.

Note: The 6th and 7th Seals, are obviously events that happen on
the last day, how can 14 plagues follow this, as believed by most?

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Next the same 7 Angels deliver the 7 Trumps, (drama #2):

1st Trump_1st angel_hail and fire, 1/3rd of trees burnt up.
2nd Trump_2nd angel_1/3rd of the sea became [like] blood.
3rd Trump_3rd and so on_1/3rd of rivers and fountains poisoned.
4th Trump_1/3rd sun dark, woe, woe, woe.
5th Trump_locusts sting men that have the mark of the beast.
6th Trump_1/3rd men killed by 200,000,000 they repented not.

7th Trump
_the kingdoms of this world have become the
................... kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ;
................... and He shall reign for ever and ever.
................... thy wrath is come, time to give rewards to the
................... prophets and saints, time to judge the dead.
................... Earthquake, mystery of God is finished (Rev.10:7).


Note: Read Rev.11:15-19, the 7th Trump should be (and will be)
the last event, at the end of the last day, this is obviously the
beginning of the 1,000 year reign, 7 Vials cannot follow this!!
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However
..... most believe they do......


So, here are the same 7 Angels with the 7 Vials, (drama #3):

1st Vial_1st angel_sores on men who had the mark of the beast.
2nd Vial_2nd angel_all of the sea became [like] blood.
3rd Vial_rivers and fountains became [like] blood.
4th Vial_burnt men with heat, they repented not, cursed God.
5th Vial_darkness, pains and sores, men repented not.
6th Vial_"Behold I come as a thief," Armageddon.

7th Vial
_voice from the throne, "It is done," hail, Earthquake.
............... every mountain and island moved out of place...."

...............
it does...not state... "that the kingdom has come."
............... it does...not state... "time to reward prophets & saints."
............... it does...not state... "time to judge the dead."
............... it does...not state... "the mystery of God is finished."

The 7th Trump does state all of the above, so it has to be last!


The above is the telling part of these events and as you can see it
separates last day events by one to three years from the last day.
So, since this won't work, common sense should tell us
the action part must be different from the telling part.

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Now a brief recap of the 3 dramas as presented on my main chart
(not as presented in the faulty above list), and more on
drama #4:

Drama #1.
The 7 Angels with the 7 seals. Rev.6:1, to 8:5.
Drama #2. The 7 Angels with the 7 trumpets. Rev.8:6, to 12:0.
Drama #3. The 7 Angels with the 7 vials. Rev.15:1, to 16:21.
Drama #4. The temple, throne and altar drama, which I will
....................call the "Heaven Drama", and is on-going through
....................Revelation chp.4:1, to the end of Revelation.

The seal, trump, and vial, dramas (on my main chart) along with
the
heaven drama, all go along together, it is one story, all four
dramas should be superimposed over each other.
(cover later).


In short the 3 earth dramas are on-going from Rev.6:1, to Rev.19.
The heaven dramas (temple, throne, altar), Rev.4:1, to Rev.22.
They are all on-going at the same time, they are different parts of
the same story, filling in different details, as was common among
ancient authors. To present these 4 dramas moving along at the
same time would be too overwhelming to read or comprehend. I
will go into this in detail later on.



I will briefly cover the heaven drama #4, that moves along
with the 3 earth dramas This one opens in Rev.4:1, John sees
in a vision that a door was opened in heaven, then in v-3, he
sees the awesome Almighty God, sitting on a great throne.
And in verses 4 to 8, he sees God's government in heaven:


First is the Godhead, God the Father, God the Son, and God the
Holy Spirit. Secondly, is the four living creatures called cheribim,
close to the throne. Thirdly, the 24 elders farther out, fourthly
the 7 great archangels out farther in front of the throne. Yes, the
same 7 angels that deliver the seals, trumps and vials.



I will try to analyze the funtions of these officials, (the best that I
can). First is the great King of the total universe (God the Father).
Second, His Son the Word and great Prince over the angel's and all
of the kings of the earth,(God the Son). Third, God the Holy Spirit
who is high manager of the universe, He knows what the Father
and Son want and either acts on it or passes orders on to the four
cheribim. They in turn, delegate the 7 archangels to oversee the
affairs of the earth.



Now I will go into detail, as best as I can, on God's 7 angels that
He will use to deliver the seals, trumps and vials. First I want to
make it clear that angels are spirits (Ps.104:4, Heb 1:13-14), and
they have form, because they are seen. In the beginning of the
book of Revelation we first see the 7-angels in Rev 1:4, "....seven
spirits (angel persons), which are before God's throne." Many say
this is the 7-fold spirit of God. No such thing because 7-spirits is
plural, and a 7-fold spirit would be like saying God needs a larger
Spirit. God's Spirit is omniscent, Deity and can't be enlarged.



So, these 7-spirits (angels) standing before His throne in Rev 1:4,
are OF GOD, belonging TO GOD. And now go to Rev 4:5, these
same 7-spirits (angel's) ,were standing before God's throne,
described as 7 lamps of fire. Then in Rev 5:6, (paraphrased)
"...in the midst of the throne...was Jesus, having [with Him]
7 horns and 7 eyes, which are the 7-spirits (angels) of God. God
has now delegated the 7-spirits (angels) to Jesus. "Horn" means
leader or king (Rev 17:12, Dan 8:20), and 7 eyes meaning all
knowing, because they represent God. So, I have just shown you
that "spirits" are persons, and "horns" are persons. In fact, Jesus
said in John 4:24, "God is a spirit.." However, all spirits have form.



T
hree verses after the above throne scene of Rev 5:6, Jesus
in v-9, opens the book with the seals and delegates this to the
7-angels that were standing before God's throne earlier. However,
it dosn't say that Jesus gives the 7-angels anything, so the seals,
trumps and vials had already been given to the 7-angels when
they were standing before God's throne earlier. These were
probably all symbolic anyway, so what God gave them was the
authority to execute these plagues at a time that Jesus so chooses.



However in Rev 8:2, it says the 7-angels were given 7-trumpets,
but it also says they got the trumpets when they stood before
God, which they had done earlier in Rev 1:4, 4:5, 5:6, and
these 3 verses were when they actually did stand before God.
So, I believe Rev 8:2, was John getting a flash back, and was in
retrospect to when John saw them standing before God earlier.


A
lso the above is true about the 7 vials in Rev 15:1, this too seems
to verify the retrospect idea, because this verse states that the 7-
angels already had the 7 vials, and down a few verses to Rev.15:6
it states again they already have these 7 vials, and the next verse,
Rev.15:7 says the "four living creatures gave unto the 7 angels the
7 vials full of the wrath of God." And this was after twice stating
they already had them? And they did, because they were given
to them earlier by the four living creatures when, they too, were
standing before God in the earlier event described in the three
verses of Rev 1:4, Rev.4:5, and Rev.5:6. I feel certain that these
two events of giving the trumps and vials were both in retrospect
to when the 7-angels stood before God earlier.


I
apologize for the redundancy of the above three paragraphs, but
understanding this is the only way the seals, trumps, and vials,
will ever be consistant with Gods word. Remember, John was
seeing visions and flashbacks of visions, and later on, as he was
writing all of
this down, he was flashing back to the earlier event,
and we can be certain that he also, did not understand.
When the
prophet Daniel was shown several visions and heard many things,
he said he didn't understand. And he was told that it wasn't for
him to understand, but at the time of the end the wise shall under-
stand (Dan.12:8-9). And now in our time as we are seeing some
end time events unfolding (Israel a nation again, etc), God will
continue to reveal more details so we will understand. There isn't
one person on this earth that has it all together.



A
nd John also described the ocean being turned into blood when
in fact, God will probably turn it into a red tide (this also kills life).
And he said stars were crashing into the earth, when in fact, these
are meteors. The visual part of dreams and visions are somewhat
unclear, but in this case the important part is the message that
God is conveying to John (and to us), is in the form of a puzzle
that we have to put together so that it conforms to God's word,
which I believe my chart does. Remember, Revelation, Daniel,
(and other books), were written with the heavy use of symbols,
and Jesus taught with parables. We have to figure it out!!



Now back to drama #4, (heaven drama) that opens in Rev.chp.4
and 5, then at chp.6, the 3 earth dramas of the seals, trumps and
vials begin, and at this time the archangel Michael in Rev.12:7,
and his angel army, sweeps the "dragon" government of Satan
and his bad angel's out of the air heaven, and down to the earth.
God and His hosts move down into the air heaven to control the
devil and the A.C. system thats on earth at this time, (Rev 12:10).


T
he above event (Satan cast down to earth), starts the last half of
the tribulation, and at this same time (Rev 7:2) John sees an angel
ascending from the east, holding back the 4-angels (4-horsemen),
until the servants of God have been sealed. God's wrath does not
fall on us, only those who have the mark of the beast(Rev.16:2).
Those who do not have the seal of God. "...after you believed,
You were sealed (Eph.1:13). Also, "...you are sealed unto the
day of redemption..." See on my main post under (f), the sealing of
the 144000, and of the tribulation Christians.



Then (Rev 7:4-8) after the 144,000 have been sealed, (protected
from God's wrath) along with us, as is evident in Rev 7:9-14. Only
then is the 1st of the four horsemen, the angel on the white
horse
, let loose by Jesus' opening of the 1st Seal,
to execute
this 1st plague on those who do not have the seal of God. It would
be redundant at this point to list each of the 7-angels involvement
in the execution of all of the 21 plagues. Suffice it to say that each
of the 7-angels has a
seal, trump, and a vial, and they execute
them in that order, 3 plagues each, each in turn, starting at the
beginning of the last 3 1/2 years, which happens at Rev 6:1.



Also at Rev 6:1, Satan and his angels are cast down to the earth,
(Rev 12:7). And we know for sure the two witnesses start their
ministry at this same time (last 3 1/2 yrs), because Rev.11:3,says
God's two witnesses will preach 1,260 days (3 1/2 yrs), because of
this we now know for certain that Rev 11:1 overlaps back to
Rev. 6:1 (the beginning of the last 3 1/2 years). And we know
for certain that Rev.7:3 also overlaps back to Rev.6:1 because
Rev.6:1-12, states that 6 of the seal plagues had already been
carried out when, in fact, they were not, because Rev.7:1-3, says
these angel's were held back (from executing their plagues) until,
the servants of God have been sealed (Rev.7:3).


S
o, the above paragraph proves for certain that:

Rev chp 7, has to happens at the same time as Rev chp 6.
Rev chp 11, also has to happen at the same time as Rev chp 6.

And Rev chps 7, and 11, are not the only chapters that goes back
to Rev.6:1, they all do up to Rev chp 19, its one story (drama) with
many different layers, each with new details, all going back to
Rev.6:1, except the heaven drama goes back to Rev.4:1, all four
dramas (
seal, trump, vial, and heaven) , are all one story being
added to like layers of paint, one on top of the other, each with
different details mixed in, because its too overwhelming to tell this
story with all of the dramas going along at the same time.



The two witnesses:

Rev.11:3-19, v-4 "And I will give
power unto my two witnesses,
and they shall preach 3 1/2 yrs..." So, this would put them at the
start of the last 3 1/2 years to the end. These two would have to
be flesh and blood men because just 3 1/2 days before the great
earthquake on the last day, they are killed by the AC (Rev.11:7-8)
So the fact they can be killed proves they are not spirits (Moses
and Elijah). And if anyone tries to hurt them they can kill their
enemies with fire, and they can plague any part of the earth. God
does allow these two to be killed when there are just 3 1/2 days
left, and the world rejoices over this event, and they leave their
dead bodies laying in the city of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days.


A
nd after 3 1/2 days the spirit of life from God entered into them,
and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell on the people
that saw this. And then they heard a great voice saying unto them,
"Come up here." And in the same hour there was a great earth-
quake (the 1st of the 4 earthquakes that happen on the Last Day.
And (hours later) Rev.11:15 "And the 7th angel sounded; and there
were voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are
become the kingdoms of our lord, and of His Christ; and he shall
reign for ever and ever." This, of course, is the beginning of the
1,000 year reign of Christ on earth.


The Beasts of Perdition....

that make up the 4th endtime A.C. kingdom, is described
by John in Rev.13:1-2, to be a single beast, that is
made
up of three beasts, but it looked like a leopard, only
it
had the feet of a
bear, and the mouth of a
lion. This end-
time kingdom will be
ruled by the Antichrist and will be
centered in the middle east. And
will come to power in
the exact same geographical land area as the old
Alexan-
derian empire encompassed, and is represented by the
symbolic
leopard that is described by John in Rev.13:1-2

The geographical land area of the Endtime Beast Empire ------>


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